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Post by -Danielle- on Aug 25, 2014 15:36:50 GMT
thank kirei. i realised i meant to put im NOW old enough to enjoy lol. will shove them on a purchase list and see if FOPP potentially has them.
seen a post on FB about how "apparently" cameron has admitted that even if the votes are for us leaving the EU, he still wont be doing that. tw*t.
i genuinely have no idea what to do with my vote this time =/
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Post by Shadowcat on Aug 26, 2014 12:13:39 GMT
Why leave the EU?
Thats utterly stuped. The UK gov will be able to do a ton worse than they're already doing if we did that
Plus free trade in the EU. So no import duty when buying from france/germany
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Post by -Danielle- on Aug 26, 2014 14:45:30 GMT
I wish I could remember reasons why anti EU people said we'd benefit from departing. I haven't been "political" for a while. Immigrations is probably the main one as to my knowledge, isn't it something like whilst under the EU we "have" to basically let anyone from any EU country into ours. So therefore going out of the EU would mean we could dictate how many immigrants we let in ourselves. The EU leaves us with a constantly open floodgate. I don't really have a large opinion on it but it doesnt sound like anything else would reduce the number we let in unless we do leave the EU but with no one "secretly" wanting to in government, it becomes sort of void. I do not like the idea that one day many years ahead the UK may be a country where British born become a minority but again it's speculation from what's floating around online. Personally my own opinion is I never want to feel like a foreigner in my own country. If things would never ever get like that anyway then my comment can be void too hehe
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Post by duoinchains on Aug 26, 2014 16:36:28 GMT
Immigrations is probably the main one as to my knowledge, isn't it something like whilst under the EU we "have" to basically let anyone from any EU country into ours. So therefore going out of the EU would mean we could dictate how many immigrants we let in ourselves. The EU leaves us with a constantly open floodgate. The 'floodgate' works both ways though... UK citizens have an equal right to go work/live elsewhere within the EU. I bet folk would soon complain if that were stopped or restricted somehow. And interestingly, the UK has actually seen net- emigration for at least 20 years now (so more people are leaving the UK than arriving, 63,000 more in 2012)... So all this bollocks about 'not enough room' is just that, Daily HEIL!/Daily Excess-spouted bollocks. 'Taking our jobs' - with certain segments of UK society now seemingly unwilling to work at all, it's no wonder that other people willing to work are filling them. And it's not just the low-skill/pay end of the scale, we've always had skilled immigrants coming here for training and employment in very skilled jobs (doctors). While I am 'British' and speak English, I rather see myself as an English-speaking* European. I like the ability to travel easily and freely across Europe, visiting new places, experiencing different cultures. I'd also happily accept the Euro as our currency. This sentimental attacment to 'The Pound' is just outdated nonsense. *steps down off soapbox*
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Post by Shadowcat on Aug 26, 2014 18:10:51 GMT
with certain segments of UK society now seemingly unwilling to work at all, Soo very true, Although I can't really comment unfortunatly
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Post by duoinchains on Aug 26, 2014 21:53:44 GMT
with certain segments of UK society now seemingly unwilling to work at all, Soo very true, Although I can't really comment unfortunatly I wasn't getting at you, or anyone else on here.
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Post by noodle on Aug 26, 2014 21:54:44 GMT
The 'floodgate' works both ways though... UK citizens have an equal right to go work/live elsewhere within the EU. I bet folk would soon complain if that were stopped or restricted somehow. I think it's interesting that you say work/live yet you do not say claim benefits. Just a thought. Noodle.
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Post by duoinchains on Aug 26, 2014 22:09:30 GMT
The 'floodgate' works both ways though... UK citizens have an equal right to go work/live elsewhere within the EU. I bet folk would soon complain if that were stopped or restricted somehow. I think it's interesting that you say work/live yet you do not say claim benefits. Just a thought. Noodle. Because the vast majority of working-age immigrants (and emigrants) don't claim benefits - they find employment. A small minority do, which is over-reported by the sensationalist media. I'd have a good guess that probably more emigrants claim benefits from their chosen country of residence (all those ex-pats in France and Spain claiming state pensions, which is a benefit) outweighing the number of immigrants doing the same. Britain has always been a mongrel race of immigrants anyways... when the far right tossers of UKIP/BNP/EDL say 'British', do they mean British (Celt), British (Roman), British (Norse), British (Saxon) or British (Norman)??
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Post by -Danielle- on Aug 27, 2014 10:23:53 GMT
Thanks for all the replies and kindness to what I said, can never tell if I'm gona offend or not when I dont mean to Totally get it, not many people as you said tend to realise its a swinging door, that we Brits can just as easily go and do the same in another country. I have no issue whatsoever with those who come over to work and build a life but when you have those who just want free healthcare and benefits, well we don't need those kind of people seeing as we have enough/too many Brits doing that already. I guess that's where my line is drawn. I really don't want to "not" vote but I genuinely have no clue. Clegg lost me the minute he chose to be a coalition with Cameron. He got my vote then too with his whole stance on immigration but most importantly, education seeing as the education system have shafted my family, my brother terribly to the point where the school he's at may not even be doing GCSE's seeing as they're a special school who treats aspergers kids like him as the same level as those on the high end of the autism spectrum which is stupid!!!! All the work's far under his age, hell its only about 30% work they even do at that school with most being films and trips out to help "socialise" and sh*t. Fuming. Everyones a god damn let down. I think before the last vote were a Labour household to but Labour's picked the wrong posterboy, the wrong Milliband. I think they're all fluff but Ed looks like a tool, pretty sure if it was David, people would absorb what he says since he looks like he could fit the bill.
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Post by duoinchains on Aug 27, 2014 11:27:04 GMT
I really don't want to "not" vote but I genuinely have no clue. Clegg lost me the minute he chose to be a coalition with Cameron. Oh, I rather think the Lib-Dems rendered themselves unelectable for at least a generation with that move. Every Lib-Dem supporter I know was very upset that Clegg climbed into bed with the Tories. As evidenced by their poor showing in local elections and pretty much every poll that been run since 2010.
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Post by -Danielle- on Aug 27, 2014 12:41:50 GMT
Yeah he just stopped being a man of his word that day as I recall him saying he'd create a coalition with Labour is Brown stepped down which he did, which I'm proud of him for as it showed the country and Labours "beliefs" mean something to him and Clegg still f*cked himself and his promises over! It really is a shame as I watched that live show with Brown, Cameron and him and was captivated by his words and stuff and yeah, he's been nothing like that. Just read that due to some hurricane, we may very well see summer weather at the weekend which just so happens to be a 3 day weekend for me Before then though I've heard this weeks going to be rain rain rain lol.
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Post by Random on Aug 27, 2014 20:54:42 GMT
It's a terrible tragedy but WTF were they thinking? Story
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Post by noodle on Aug 27, 2014 23:03:13 GMT
Because the vast majority of working-age immigrants (and emigrants) don't claim benefits - they find employment. While this is true, many of them also claim benefits in this country for their family members that remain in their country of origin, child benefit being one of the main onesA small minority do, which is over-reported by the sensationalist media. I'm not sure exactly how else you could report the stories other then sensationalist, while in the interest of balance it would be nice to hear stories of hard working immigrants who have benefited (no pun intended) the community greatly these stories are increasingly hard to come by as they often congregate themselves into already established communities of their own ethnic group and don't often integrate with the community at largeI'd have a good guess that probably more emigrants claim benefits from their chosen country of residence (all those ex-pats in France and Spain claiming state pensions, which is a benefit) outweighing the number of immigrants doing the same. Ex-pats in France and Spain claiming state pensions?. If they have paid their contributions to the state then they are allowed to claim this benefit as you put it regardless of which country they reside in as the money is legally theirs. If I lived to be 65 and was able to claim my state benefit, I would, even if I was living in Slovakia. However I draw the line the other benefits such a winter fuel allowance and that sort of thing as they are no longer resident in this country.Britain has always been a mongrel race of immigrants anyways... when the far right tossers of UKIP/BNP/EDL say 'British', do they mean British (Celt), British (Roman), British (Norse), British (Saxon) or British (Norman)?? I think that the idea of a British race only exists in the deluded minds of those who think that the English are somehow superior to others and that is a dangerous way to think. Some other people tried that and it must never happen again. I am however in agreement with you that Britain always has been a Mongrel Nation (check the Eddie Izzard programme's of the same name out, good laughs) and long may it continue. Hopefully this has all worked out and you can see my answers to your statements in italics. Please remember that these are just my opinions and are not meant to cause offence for the sake of it but to have a sensible discussion like adults. Noodle.
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Post by Random on Sept 1, 2014 20:36:25 GMT
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Post by -Danielle- on Sept 2, 2014 9:14:16 GMT
It's a scary thought losing toilet paper, genuinely lol.
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